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Freak Power Bring Me Sunshine 0	Posted - 2012.01.10 13:19:00 - [1] - Quote It's an Inferno Rage Torpedo BPO. It was purchased for 5b in this auction: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=52051 It's value and manufacturing profit have been massively overstated. A ham fisted attempt at a scam.
Freak Power Bring Me Sunshine 0	Posted - 2012.01.10 13:21:00 - [2] - Quote Aine Ni wrote: I have an Inferno Rage Torpedo BPO ME0 and PE0 - I have seen T2 Torpedo BPOs sold to up to 14,5b (with a minimum of research) We can also do a split - so the first or two month is research and then production from there - might be the best option Could say a bond of 10b with the first two as research. Which give a payout of 9.5 and payed research. Lenght of bond is min. 2 months - and end-date will been 6 months, at the latest, or when you want out :) How does that sound?
Freak Power Bring Me Sunshine 0	Posted - 2012.01.10 13:36:00 - [3] - Quote Aine Ni wrote: That is the precise BPO If I was to scam I would likely have used another toon - Possible do a bit more research, and look at what the other T2 Torp BPOs are sold at. Also the fact that others was willing to bid more, but was too late. On that same auction. According to EVEEYE with 10/10 research and good selling places (not Jita, but the other mish hubs) - I can make that (5b) back in a little more than an year (minus Research time. Yes it SO much overrate - so is all profit and T2 BPOs Keep digging.
Freak Power Bring Me Sunshine 0	Posted - 2012.01.10 14:04:00 - [4] - Quote Aine Ni wrote: Lol - I have more than one BPO https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=51810&p=2 4x T2 Torps for 14.25b each What is with ME20/PE20 - which is almost no difference in time and cost compared to 10/10 - so with a bit of reseach I can take my "worthless" BPO can sell - WHY would I want to make a collateral for fare under their worth - so the other guy can run with them for a bargain. That auction was for Mjolnir Javlin Torpedos. Spot the difference... http://eveeye.com/profit.asp?blueprint=Inferno+Rage+Torpedo+Blueprint&POS=1&F60=1&P=1 http://eveeye.com/profit.asp?blueprint=Mjolnir+Javelin+Torpedo+Blueprint&POS=1&F60=1&P=1
Freak Power Bring Me Sunshine 0	Posted - 2012.01.10 14:07:00 - [5] - Quote Aine Ni wrote: Even a 10b bond with NO collateral, with 250m interest per month is not a bad deal on MD. A 2.5% uncollateralised bond, with an unknown is not a bad deal on MD? Somebody pass this man a ladder, he's going to need it.
Freak Power Bring Me Sunshine 0	Posted - 2012.01.10 14:26:00 - [6] - Quote Aine Ni wrote: As I'm cauris (And really bad at englist), I would like to know what would a fair amount - If I also would like the BPO to be research while it's held as collateral ? You could get a 4.5b loan at 4% including research with that BPO as collateral.
Freak Power Bring Me Sunshine 0	Posted - 2012.01.10 14:41:00 - [7] - Quote Aine Ni wrote: 10b uncollateral bond at 5% (ie. 250m) - with a BPO as a "sorta" collateral, for having to research in return for the collateral - as I know, I am not know on the forum? But your BPO is not worth 10b, not even close. So, you are offering at best 50% collateral. You would not get the fully collateralised rate. Furthermore you are not an unknown anymore. You are known as being dishonest.
Freak Power Bring Me Sunshine 0	Posted - 2012.01.10 15:47:00 - [8] - Quote Aine Ni wrote: Scenario: 1 - Make a collateral with a item worth more than bond - I run risk at being scamed. 2 - Make for precise amount - hard to find, as both parties have interest in turning the value to their side. 3 - Make a collateral with a item worth less than bond - bond holder runs risk at being scamed. 4 - Make with no collateral - even more risk 1 is not good for me. 2 - is really hard to find. It looks like you were already offered 2 by the commander. He offered you exactly what you paid for it two days ago. That is as fair an offer as you could expect. Aine Ni wrote: I choose to combing the 3-4 What a suprise. You choose the two options that allow you to scam your investor. Aine Ni wrote: By going rates - I could have made a 10b at 5% with no C. Nonsense. The going rate for an uncollateralised 1st timer is not 10b at 5%. You could not raise 10b at any rate as an uncollateralised 1st timer. You would be lucky to get 5% even on a small amount as an uncollateralised 1st timer. This is before you entered into all this deception about the value and return of the collateral. Aine Ni wrote: I must clearly be a scamer Yes. We know. You have made it somewhat obvious. Aine Ni wrote: I value the BPO at 9b (which gives me a lot of room, for no one would want to run with it) That may be your valuation, but the marketplace values it at 5b - the price you bought it for at public auction 2 days ago.
Freak Power Bring Me Sunshine 0	Posted - 2012.01.10 16:21:00 - [9] - Quote Aine Ni wrote: Nonsense. The going rate for an uncollateralised 1st timer is not 10b at 5%. You could not raise 10b at any rate as an uncollateralised 1st timer. You would be lucky to get 5% even on a small amount as an uncollateralised 1st timer. That might be true - I was just what I looked at few of the last bonds - I dont read their full history. What would be more the likely rate for the two types ? For a collateralised loan it is normal for the collateral to be valued at firesale prices, to protect the investor against a drop in the value of the collateral and to prevent the investee from simply defaulting. Rates would generally be in the 3%-5% range. The 4.5b at 4% suggestion that I made would therefore be reasonable and the 5b at 5% offer that CJ101 made would be on the high side. For an uncollateralised 1st time loan you might get between 100m-1b at 5%-10% depending on the quality of your proposal and the results of any audit done on you. In your case, your proposal is riddled with what can generously be termed as errors and less generously regarded as lies. You offer no business plan, in fact you refuse to offer one. I honestly doubt that anyone would offer you an uncollateralised loan on this character based on this.
Freak Power Bring Me Sunshine 1	Posted - 2012.01.11 14:26:00 - [10] - Quote Aine Ni wrote: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=54613&find=unread Mjolnir *RAGE* Torpedo sold 8.5 (Reseached) Just wanted to show - seems I was SO way of Anyways - til next - fly safe But yours is not a Mjolnir Rage Torpedo BPO. http://eveeye.com/profit.asp?blueprint=Mjolnir+Rage+Torpedo+Blueprint&POS=1&F60=1&P=1 http://eveeye.com/profit.asp?blueprint=Inferno+Rage+Torpedo+Blueprint&POS=1&F60=1&P=1 Even if yours was a Mjolnir Rage Torpedo BPO, instead of a less valuable BPO, it still would not be worth 9.5b and you still would not be able to secure a 10b loan with it.

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